Keeping up With Microsoft Azure With Tim Warner

Episode #3 Published Wednesday, July 8, 2020

Barry talks with Microsoft MVP and Pluralsight author Tim Warner about keeping up with the fast pace of change in Microsoft Azure and technology in general. They discuss tools and resources for keeping up, learning and Azure certifications.

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Tim is a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) in Cloud and Datacenter Management who is based in Nashville, TN in the United States. His professional specialties include Microsoft Azure, cross-platform PowerShell, and all things Windows Server-related. You can reach Tim via Twitter (@TechTrainerTim), LinkedIn or his website, TechTrainerTim.com

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Welcome to another episode of developer weekly. This week I'm talking with Tim Warner about keeping up with Azure. Tim is a Microsoft most valuable professional MVP in cloud and data center management based in Nashville, Tennessee in the United States. His professional speciality includes Microsoft Azure cross platform PowerShell, and all things Windows Server related. You can reach them via Twitter, at Tech tamer at Tech trainer, Tim, LinkedIn or his website, tech trainer tim.com. Thanks for being on the show Tim.

 

Tim Warner  1:37  

You're very welcome. Very, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure.

 

Barry Luijbregts  1:40  

So you are very active with Microsoft Azure. And amongst other things, you create videos about Azure and Azure certifications and even released a new Pluralsight Azure course on Pluralsight today.

 

Tim Warner  1:53  

Yeah, that's right. I've been an IT generalist since 1998. And I've always because I'm excited In so many different aspects of it, I've kind of intentionally avoided specialization. But it just happened over the last five or six years that I got involved in Azure. And it's been a perfect fit for me professionally, because I guess, well, more than I guess I know that as your is my professional specialization, but within Azure, given that the ecosystem is so broad, I can be a generalist within Azure. And to your point, the course that we released today is actually a complete redo of a course that I recorded Originally, I think, last summer summer of 2019. It's called something along the lines of developing batch processing solutions in Azure. And originally, I centered it around as your SQL Data Warehouse. But of course, in ignite 2019 as your synapse analytics was introduced, and as your Data Explorer is now in the forefront, so I just decided to scrap the old course and redo it from scratch.

 

Barry Luijbregts  2:58  

So you came from From an infrastructure, specialty, right?

 

Tim Warner  3:03  

That's correct. As far as the DevOps continuum, I skew more towards the operations side. However, I've always, I consider myself a hobbyist programmer. I guess I'm a professional scripter. I'm proficient with PowerShell. And to an extent Python, but more in an infrastructure scenario, like you said, Barry, but I mean, I remember my first exposure to computer programming this when my dad bought one of those tiny Timex Sinclair t 1000s. It was the $99 computer and Europe. It was called the ZX Spectrum, I think. Right. And basic programming is how I originally got into the field.

 

Barry Luijbregts  3:45  

Oh, that's, that's incredible. And now it's all into clouds. You know?

 

Tim Warner  3:48  

Isn't that something? It's funny how things turn around. I remember also, just before when I was in college, before I got into it as a career I had a summer position feed These, they look like old fashioned eight track tapes into these IBM tape drives because the company was a mainframe shop. And it's funny how things are circular now with the cloud in some ways, that's almost like a return to mainframe computing, isn't it?

 

Barry Luijbregts  4:16  

Yeah, definitely. So you've then been working with the cloud for quite a long time. And you say that you're a generalist and in the cloud, but still because Microsoft Azure is so extremely broad, as in there are developer services, but there is also infrastructure services and everything in between, right? And what do you focus on within Azure? And how do you choose what to focus on?

 

Tim Warner  4:38  

Well, in my job at Pluralsight, I'm a full time author. So I have I used to have more flexibility in the subjects that I chose, but I'm more I consider my biggest benefit to the company is that as a generalist, I can kind of pitch in and help if there's a course that maybe nobody wants to cover because it's so knew, I'm happy to jump on those subject. Those subjects. That's kind of how batch processing came onto my workbench. And I've taught a course on messaging services. And those are products that tend to skew out of my infrastructure home. So it was a good opportunity to stretch. I think in general, regardless of whether you're an author or a trainer, if you're looking at Azure as a career, you really have to be committed to always learning. I can't imagine somebody who wants to go into it primarily for financial reasons. And for job security reasons. I would really warn them against unless they really enjoy what they're doing. Because with Azure, you're going to fall behind too quickly. If you're not always actively learning new stuff.

 

Barry Luijbregts  5:47  

Yeah, it goes extremely quickly. new services are added all the time and existing services change and new features are added or they get deprecated. So So how do you do that? How do you precisely keep up to date with all those changes.

 

Tim Warner  6:02  

You and I have both shared with the community on that subject of staying current with Microsoft Azure. So the first thing I'd recommend your listeners to do is to do a good old Google or Bing search for how to stay current. And they'll find your piece I've presented at some user groups over the last year on that subject. And I'm looking at my browser right now in the Azure architecture center in the cloud adoption framework section. Microsoft itself has a nice article on staying current. Some go to like most important sites that I would recommend that people have bookmarks, or the Azure updates site, which is where I don't know if I guess all the product teams are supposed to post there. I don't know if they all actually do I'd say most. The Azure updates is where you're going to see features that are in private development and then as they come into private preview, public preview in general availability and if you're all dog like myself, In your RSS, you can subscribe to the Azure updates as a feed. There's the Azure service health dashboard within the portal. If anything on Microsoft side is going to affect your services, you can see a personalized view directly on the portal by looking up service health. Let's see I think as your has a top level blog, yeah, Azure dot Microsoft comm forward slash blog. And again, it's up to each product team, how often they post there, but you can keep up to date. And honestly, lastly, as you're working, especially in the Azure portal, pay attention when you're looking through the different blades when you see preview after something Oh, that wasn't here before. I mean, I'm surprised every day and I've, I've talked to enough Microsoft employees and team members that they get surprised too, so don't feel bad as an Azure customer. If sometimes you feel blindsided because I can attest to that I've talked to plenty of full time as your engineer And team members who are also surprised. It's just that fast moving of an ecosystem.

 

Barry Luijbregts  8:06  

Right. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. And then you can also use the preview portal right? So preview? Yes. portal.azure.com.

 

Tim Warner  8:14  

Very good. Yep, definitely, of course, there's the provision or previz or warning, whatever you want to say that, depending as a general rule, features that are in public preview don't have a support service level agreement attached to them. Sometimes Microsoft will make an exception for that. But generally speaking,  when you see preview after a service, consider that to be dev test and not prod.

 

Barry Luijbregts  8:41  

Yeah, right. So when do you consider a service for learning a deeper as in, they might be in private preview or in public preview and generally available? Do you only dive in when they are generally available or already when they might be in preview?

 

Tim Warner  8:57  

When I work with customers, I really am pretty concerned. About that, because of the first of all, I'll dig with them to make sure that a team is not offering a service level agreement or any kind of support when a feature is in public preview. An exception to that is Azure migrate, they were doing production support even when the server migration pieces were in public preview, as a plural site, and author, as a policy Pluralsight. And our agreement with Microsoft, we do not cover public preview features simply due to their volatility. I mean, we're already on a six month review cycle, we revisit our training courses every six months and make any changes as appropriate. It would just be too much management overhead if we included public preview features. So I tend to get into public preview features just personally as a professional development thing more than anything else. So I have a leg up to be helpful when the feature gets closer to general available.

 

Barry Luijbregts  10:01  

Yeah, yeah, the same same for me as well. Plus, I, after a couple of years of doing this, then you get kind of a sense of where things are going and if a public preview feature is going to stick, or that it might just be something fun to, to experiment with.

 

Tim Warner  10:18  

Isn't that something? Yeah, I mean, Asher blueprints is a service that I like quite a bit. It's been in preview public preview, seemingly forever. It's been in preview so long that Microsoft worldwide learning actually includes blueprints on many of the Azure certification exams so that we were joking about that just yesterday when I was chatting with them about that. Supposedly blueprints is gone is gonna go generally available someday. And then other features like as your Bastion and this is just my own personal opinion, I think they went ga on that too quickly. They announced it as a generally available service at Ignite last year. And it still is nice as Bastion, as it has some very significant limitations that I know for a fact are preventing many businesses from adopting it.

 

Barry Luijbregts  11:05  

Yeah, I guess many of these things are dependent on marketing efforts, whatever, internal goals and targets to companies. Sure.

 

Tim Warner  11:15  

Yeah. I mean, it's human, you know, human, these companies are run by fallible human beings. And when you've got a company as enormous as Microsoft, like you said, You've got all these different groups, it's a wonder that they can ship any software.

 

Barry Luijbregts  11:32  

Yeah, absolutely. So when you then go through the lists of updates and new services and things that changed, how do you do that? Do you do that once a day or every week? Or do you do you develop healthy habits around that?

 

Tim Warner  11:50  

I don't have a habit of for instance, looking in the Azure updates, but I do have a habit of reading the tech news each day. I just use Google News is my news reader and I have alerts on Azure and Microsoft and this kind of thing. And I have my Twitter feed I checked that several times a day and because I'm connected to a lot of Azure people yourself absolutely included I'm able to get a heads up on on things probably that way more directly than anything else. And once I get a heads up on on a feature service, then I'm inspired to check the documentation and see if there's anything in there look up on the Azure updates page see like you said, the preview portal dot Azure calm if it's surfaced in there, etc, etc.

 

Barry Luijbregts  12:39  

Yeah, I do. I do the same thing as well. I create my little internet bubble of like minded people that talk about Azure, for instance, in Twitter and put them on a list and then I can can just keep up to date. Yeah. So once you've selected something like you know about a new surface that you might need to make a course for Pluralsight about how do you go about learning something new like that? 

 

Tim Warner  13:04  

That's a fun question. Because I'm really I consider myself a born learner, which means that I'm extra happy and Azure. And also the fact that I am one of those folks who has multiple learning preferences. I mean, some people are more visual, some people are more listening and conversational. I'm grateful that I can adapt to all of it pretty much. If it's a brand new thing for me. Then I'm going to start by just drinking from the fire hose in as many different ways as I can. I'm going to use computer based training, and listen and pay attention to what the instructors are saying. I'm going to see if Scott hanselman talk to any engineering team members on Azure Friday. I'm going to look for blog posts. I'm going to just try to like I said drink from the fire hose to get over That initial hump, that initial learning curve, that's the toughest to get over. I'm also going to be reaching out to colleagues, professional colleagues and friends who are already expert in that technology. And I know I've reached a good point when I'm able to talk intelligently and discuss the subject with people who do it for a living, then I know I've reached that point where I'm over that initial hump, and I'm ready to go to the next level. It's Um, okay, I hope that was helpful.

 

Barry Luijbregts  14:32  

Yeah, definitely. And then, do you then also use it in a real world scenario?

 

Tim Warner  14:39  

Not everything. But mostly, what's cool about Azure is that it kind of reminds me of a magnet that's picking up metal shavings. It starts collect door a snowball rolling downhill, as my skill set with Azure expands and expands then yes, in my consulting real world life that I Have, I'm able to add those in matter of fact, I've picked up some AI some Azure AI skills over the last year. So I'm going to finally have a chance to flex my muscles on that and a consulting engagement pretty soon. So yeah, definitely as, as I pick up these skills, it's important that I actually apply them in the real world. I don't have a lot of time for consulting. But it's crucial. Like you said, Barry, because there's theory. And there's practice. And the real world practice is quite a bit messier than what you see in a typical Pluralsight lesson.

 

Barry Luijbregts  15:38  

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I also create PluralSight courses and they get the chance to edit everything out and things look a bit smoother than they are in the real world. And also, when you actually start working with something, then you get to find out what all the bugs and hurdles and little things are that you don't read about in the documentation.

 

Tim Warner  16:01  

Yeah, exactly. There's nothing like feedback expand, it doesn't have to even be me working necessarily. A large part of my professional development is talking shop with people who do this work full time in the field. And by I can capitalize and really leverage their experience and add it to my own. I'm grateful for this as your thing because I remember I've struggled over the entire time I've been in the industry, between the practical hands on experience and then being a credible instructor. And it used to be a lot harder before the cloud to the point where literally, I would work full time as an instructor for a few years, then I'd go out into the industry for a few years, then I'd go back and forth. It's kind of jarring. Now with the cloud, I'm actually able to do both I'm able to do what I love teaching and writing and transferring now But I still from the comfort of the same office that I teach from, I can do real Azure work with customers. It's a beautiful thing to be able to do both of those things simultaneously.

 

Barry Luijbregts  17:13  

I have to say my same experience. Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, there are people that are, let's say, full time authors, they create books and PluralSight courses and other things online. But I do think that you, you need to keep consulting and working in the real world. Otherwise, you don't know if what you're teaching actually works in the real world and how we write and how it affects real customers and real solutions.

 

Tim Warner  17:38  

Oh, it's invaluable to the point where, and I think this conversation is really spring, a lot of gratitude in me that I have that because I'm thinking about when I'm teaching and how I'm always thinking of use cases and real practical scenarios and I'm grateful that I can rattle those off because I do have that side. To my skill set.

 

Barry Luijbregts  18:02  

So you also have a YouTube channel with a lot of videos on there and also a lot of videos about Azure certifications on there. What do you think of as your certification? And should people take those?

 

Tim Warner  18:18  

So long story short, I'd say is Yeah, yes. And some reasons for Azure certifications are number one, it's going to be a differentiator for you in the job market. I've heard some people make the counter argument app. certs are a waste of time all they're good for us to get you past the first step of an interview process the human resources. And I'm like, yeah, that's legitimate. Right? And if you have the cert, you may get past that first step, whereas several other people who don't have the cert don't get past that first step. Another thing is, especially nowadays, the way that these badges work, they're validated very much like SSL TLS certificate. Tickets are. So instead of just claiming that you have this certification, you can actually share it in a way that's validated directly by Microsoft. And third, if nothing else, studying for these certs is a great excuse for making sure that you're current with modern Azure practices because all of these role based certifications, the skills in there are the fruit of job task analysis, or JTA. Is that Microsoft conducted with practitioners. So it's not just speaks to what we were talking about earlier, Barry, how is Asher actually used in the world not just some ivory tower theoretical thing?

 

Barry Luijbregts  19:42  

And what would you say to the argument that there might be a lot of people that cheat on these certifications as they download the answers from from the internet or pirate sites and just cheat and then they have the certification and can get into jobs relatively easily?

 

Tim Warner  19:59  

Yeah. The brain dump problem has been a problem since the very beginning. The words of the great William Shakespeare come to mind to thine own self be true, really, by using these short circuits. Ultimately you have to do the job, you'd either know how to do the job or you're not. And again, I think of Shakespeare, the truth will out, in my experience, people who rely upon the brain dumps as a way to short circuit certification and get into a job. Eventually, if they're out if they are actually weak in the skills, it's evident. And you know, what typically happens in that scenario? Not always, but I would say most of the time. Above all else, what I find most concerning about the brain dump situation is how normalized they seem to be to the point where many people I've observed. I don't I think that they genuinely don't understand that using these is a breach of the non disclosure agreement. You sign with Microsoft, there are people that believe that they're just these brain dumps, which are thefts of the actual intellectual property of the exams are just as legitimate as, say, a measure up practice tests. So I want to Yeah, educate to the point that no these brain dumps are actually stolen exam content. And by using them, you are in fact, violating your NDA with Microsoft and I have seen people permanently decertified from the program, if Microsoft learns that you've used them. So I would suggest strongly go with legitimate practice exam exam software.

 

Barry Luijbregts  21:39  

Oh, that's great. Actually, that that happens. I didn't know that Microsoft penalize people that found that out. Oh, yeah. That's great. Yeah. Because, you know, I know that a lot of people use these brain dumps and then that negates the value of the certifications.

 

Tim Warner  21:57  

Yeah, you know, I mean, I understand Your point because if somebody cheats to get in a position, and I don't get the position because of that person, I mean, there's I understand that grievance for sure. I just need to make sure that I'm doing the right thing, because the only person I have control over is myself. And I want to make sure I have a clean conscience as I go forward.

 

Barry Luijbregts  22:20  

So what is a good certification to get started with? Like, if you're going to get started in Azure as an infrastructure person or a developer? What would you start with?

 

Tim Warner  22:31  

Yeah, I get asked that question a lot. In fact, somebody sent me a DM on Twitter just last night saying, I'm a dotnet developer. And for whatever reason, he or she didn't say why, but they need to get certified. And my answer was, well, I don't know you. But top of my head, if you're a full time developer, the most closely aligned certification would be the Azure. So as your developer role, the library of these certifications is aligned to job roles. It used to be that there was just one One certification for all of Asher, which now is kind of laughable when you think about it. But now we've got this entire portfolio of certifications that aligned to roles. So if you are an infrastructure professional, there's the Azure administrator. There's one, there's a associate cert for security engineer. There's AI data platform, Microsoft 365. There's the introduction as your fundamentals, which is, I think, a great skill set. The what's neat about the Azure fundamentals or the az 900, is that it's not intended wholly for protect people. It's intended for even non technical people like sales or marketing people who may work for a company that's in the cloud, and they need to know the vocabulary, so don't discount as your fundamentals.

 

Barry Luijbregts  23:53  

Oh, right. I didn't know that. That was also a target audience. That's good to know. So how are we And prepare for one of these things. It's been ages since I've taken an exam. And when I did it, I used these very big Microsoft press books, exam prep things. I don't know, 500 pages or something. Yeah, I just crammed that way. How do people do it nowadays?

 

Tim Warner  24:17  

Those books, Microsoft press still makes the exam rafts, and those are good because they are aligned exactly to the exam objectives. But the the issue with any print book seems to me is that it's almost impossible to keep pace because as your changes so often, and Microsoft worldwide learning revisits the exams every two months, and revisits each certification program every year. So, in terms of prep, you're going to have to go with a more agile approach. Microsoft learn is an excellent place especially for Azure fundamentals. They have a learning path, it's totally free. That covers all of the objectives of course, At Pluralsight what's cool about the Pluralsight Microsoft partnership is that you don't even have to be a Pluralsight subscriber, a paying subscriber to take advantage of a whole bunch of courses Barry or any of your Azure courses in the free partnership. Do you know?

 

Barry Luijbregts  25:16  

Yes, a couple of them. I'm not sure which one I think the as your what to use when is one? Oh, yeah.

 

Tim Warner  25:24  

Yeah, I mean, a lot of this, like we were talking about earlier depends upon what your preferred learning style is. If you're more of a book reader, instead of looking for a print book, I would suggest you go certainly to the Azure docs but also Microsoft learn, because there you're going to get the most current readable material on Azure computer based training. Obviously, there's Pluralsight. And there's other computer based vendors that I personally like a lot. I like Linux Academy and cloud Academy behind that. Let me see experientially hands on is definitely important. What's Cool about Microsoft learn as well as that they have a whole bunch of hands on labs that give you free access to the Azure portal and Microsoft subscription. So you can do development administrator data, work, whatever, all without using any of your own money or subscription credits. Pluralsight also eventually will have cloud labs for both Azure and AWS. They're currently under development now. Oh, sorry, beget Barry. Last part. There's the theory. There's the hands on but then don't forget about practice exams. Like you said, Barry, especially people who have never taken a Microsoft exam before it's been years. I've seen students get blindsided because they're coming in with lots of knowledge, lots of practical experience, but because they're not accustomed to going through case studies, and different types of interactive items where you're using your mouse. This is the real value of the practice exam to give you confidence and how many Microsoft will evaluate your knowledge.

 

Barry Luijbregts  27:03  

 So are these Practice Exams exactly what the exam are like?.

 

Tim Warner  27:11  

In the case of measure up, it's pretty close measure up is Microsoft's official practice test provider. And those Practice Exams are very similar in length, content and format to the live exam. Of course, you can't use Word for word, but it's pretty close. Then up besides measure up the other company I personally recommend is called whiz labs. And their practice exams are close in content, but not really for format. They don't have all of the different item types that measure up does. And that's kind of a weakness maybe with labs will evolve that over time, but either of those companies in my experience will do a good job of getting you into the frame of mind to clear the live exam when you're ready to take it.

 

Barry Luijbregts  27:57  

Alright, that's good. So Becca I took the exams and by the way, I don't take any of these exams currently because it just doesn't fit with my business model anymore as I don't need them at the moment. Yeah, but back when I did it, I needed to go physically to an office of fingers Pearson VUE and then sit behind a computer which was monitored and with cameras and everything should it could make sure that I didn't cheat and then take the exam. Is that still the case? Or can people do it differently especially in these times?

 

Tim Warner  28:33  

Pearson VUE is still Microsoft's exam provider. Until the COVID pandemic. Yes, the Pearson VUE testing centers were the way to go. I'm not sure. I guess it depends where you are in on Earth, whether Pearson VUE have begun opening their doors, but I'm really grateful to report that the online testing has evolved to be a really great solution over the last few months since this pandemic Started, I've taken probably a dozen Azure exams using the Pearson VUE online testing format. And it's so good and so reliable and so resilient that I don't plan ever again to go to a testing center. It's so convenient to be able to take these exams from your home or office.

 

Barry Luijbregts  29:19  

And then how do they check the cheating,

 

Tim Warner  29:21  

the Pearson VUE testing software runs on Windows and Mac, it's called on view. And it's a secure application that has to be the only foreground app running on your system. So the app itself is really resilient and has a lot of security built into it directly. For example, I've used the Pearson VUE software to test on both Mac OS and Windows and it on my Mac, it wouldn't let me go into the exam until I stopped a background process I was using a keyboard shortcut utility. So it does this system this check of all the processes that are running On your system to make sure that only it and the bare OS processes are alive, really impressive. The other aspects of exam security are that you have to be on a computer that's equipped with a webcam I find and I suggest you use a laptop. And a microphone has to be enabled on the webcam as well because that's how you interact with a live Proctor. The live Proctor comes over your speakers. And one time the proctor asked me to swivel my laptop 360 degrees so he could see my room. You do take as part of the preliminary check. You use your cell phone to take pictures of your work environment. You take four pictures, one facing your computer one away, one to the left and one to the right. You have to take a picture of yourself. You take a picture of your ID front and back. So it's pretty nice. It doesn't take that long. To do the check period, I would estimate takes about five minutes total. And if you're in a room that's already pretty distraction free that is, I like to do it almost in a closet, take my laptop into a small closet. You can do it on your office desk, but you want to turn off any additional monitors besides your primary, and you'll want to make sure that your desk is cleared of everything except your keyboard and your mouse. Like I said, the proctor will come online and ask for clarification if there's any situation. So, and then lastly, I'll say that the exam experience is really resilient. I haven't had any crashes this year. A few years ago, when I used the Pearson VUE, I did have a crash during the exam session. But I was able to restart the application I got connected to another Proctor and they were able to bring back my session just like it was before so I don't know exactly what kind of checkpointing they put in but it's pretty good. Good. I've never heard of anybody losing an exam session yet. Fingers crossed.

 

Barry Luijbregts  32:05  

Wow. That's very impressive. That's that's come a long way since I've used it.

 

Tim Warner  32:08  

They really have. I give Pearson VUE, lots of props. They obviously put a lot of engineering effort into that on view client. It's great.

 

Barry Luijbregts  32:19  

All right, that's great. So we've discussed a lot of things that you can use to keep up with Azure and to learn as in there is blogs, there is Twitter, there is videos, there are also certifications that you can take that help you to keep up because then requires you to learn. And then you can also show that you actually know what you're talking about. And then as a final point, I sometimes also go to conferences and local meetups to keep up. And I believe that you're also a user group organizer, is that right?

 

Tim Warner  32:52  

That's right. I'm an organizer of the Nashville Microsoft Azure Users Group here in Nashville, Tennessee.

 

Barry Luijbregts  33:00  

So people can come to your user group as well to learn and keep up to date.

 

Tim Warner  33:05  

Yeah, exactly. It's I admire every single person who participates in a user group, because by definition, they're willing to learn. And that's always near and dear to me. I'm glad that we're closing on this human factor because it is crucial. I mean, as much as these online resources can be helpful, there's nothing like hearing about something from another human being, like you say, conference, a user group. And I would say to your listeners, if they're not already plugged into meetup calm that's, in my experience, the central place to look for Microsoft Azure user groups. And one nice thing I guess about this pandemic is that most user groups have converted to an online format, which means that you're not limited by geographic area. You can present or just participate at an Azure user group anywhere on Earth. Those are great opportunities for learning new stuff, not just from the presenter, but from other people who pipe in with their own experience. And these user groups are a great place to get hooked up with technical recruiters. Obviously, technical recruiters are going to be swarming around user groups to look for job candidates. It's really a win win situation.

 

Barry Luijbregts  34:25  

Yeah, absolutely. And I think the same now goes for conferences, as well as most conferences have moved online. Some are even free now. So you can just log on to them and just learn.

 

Tim Warner  34:38  

Isn't that something? It's amazing how the world is shifting as a result of the pandemic technical conferences. Look what Microsoft did with build recently.

 

Barry Luijbregts  34:47  

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

 

Tim Warner  34:50  

And my wife told me last night that AMC which is a major movie, movie theater chain here in the states is going To a rental model, where instead of going to a physical movie theater, you can stream movies from their website or from their app. I'm like, good for them for shifting.

 

Barry Luijbregts  35:11  

Really? That is amazing.

 

Tim Warner  35:13  

Isn't that something?

 

Barry Luijbregts  35:15  

Yeah, you know, some good came out of this. Yeah. So horrible thing, obviously. But, you know, some good came out of this as in companies need to transform their business models and set and they're doing it is incredible.

 

Tim Warner  35:28  

Yeah. And look at you in this podcast, you're transforming as well. Congratulations.

 

Barry Luijbregts  35:35  

Isn't it funny, you know, you just record something, put it out there and people can listen wherever they are.

 

Tim Warner  35:40  

Yeah, it is. It's wonderful.

 

Barry Luijbregts  35:42  

All right. So what are you working on currently and what can we expect from you next?

 

Tim Warner  35:49  

Okay, um, let me see. I've got four courses in the Azure Pluralsight partnership right now that I'm updating. Yeah, we're on the it seems like once we finish a six month review cycle, it's time for the next one. But you know, it's a good thing. I'm happy. So I've finished patching a bunch of courses. I don't even remember what they were on. It's kind of a blur. But that that's been my full time stuff. And I've been enjoying posting to my YouTube channel. You mentioned my YouTube channel, I've been posting these little nugget videos about 10 minutes each covering each objective from the Azure fundamentals, az 900 blueprint that's been a lot of fun. That skill sets a lot of fun to talk about and to teach. And it's gotten good reception from people

 

Barry Luijbregts  36:34  

That is great content. We will link to that in the show notes. Great, and to all the other things as well that we talked about today. Thank you very much, Tim, for being on, and we'll see you next week.